Curse

JeniM · Jan 12, 2008, 10:27 PM // 22:27

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Originally Posted by Venus Anu

Do you care what we the consumers think?
and yes ban the so called hacker only.

We EULA abiding consumers think its a good move on Anets part.
No don't just ban the hacker, you all breached EULA

stefke86 · Jan 12, 2008, 10:27 PM // 22:27

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

But you seem to be confused: The issue isn't about just the hacking, although that is a major concern. The issue is whether someone exploited the game. That is why people who were ferried, and did not actually perform the hack, were also banned. Going to a hidden outpost, cutting off about 80% of a mission, and farming an end-boss in minutes -- when it normally takes a couple of hours to reach him in normal play -- is exploiting the game. And that is against the User Agreement.[/LIST]

Dear Gaile,

Why didn't you ban all the Duncan runners then? They aswell effectively skipped the 4 bosses before Duncan many times over. Yet there you guys only modified the game, not perma-banning anyone. Why should these 117 be treated much harder than all those Duncan runners, who in fact did the same thing...to a larger scale even.

Please answer that?

Uber Mass · Jan 12, 2008, 10:29 PM // 22:29

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Originally Posted by GloryFox

@ Gaile

I as a player am quite proud of the way ANet has handled this situation. Banning these players was both Fair and Just to those who did not exploit the game. Please continue to ban those who would disrupt the spirit of the game. Rewarding poor behavior by allowing them back in the game only encourages more poor behavior. Do not give into any community pressure from these game exploiters for any reason. Actions without consequence encourage community anarchy.

Many have worked very hard to follow the rules of conduct and have little to show for it. Please respect those players who do follow these rules of conduct by being fair to them, keep the BANS in place.

Thank you...

Well said....

Tho i hope they will give the bans of people who done it once without (really) knowing they were wrong a chance to redeem themselves

Clait · Jan 12, 2008, 10:29 PM // 22:29

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Originally Posted by Dont Mess WithMe

Not true. Spamming WTS in all chat is bannable, that's why we have a trade channel.

Yet how many times is that done?

My point here wasn't even about that. It was comparing those two statements to those that were banned. WTS = "Anybody want to buy?" Fact is, only people that said "WTS" were banned, while those that said "Anybody want to buy?" were not. Thats impartial. If your are not partial, then you can not be just.

Arwen Granger · Jan 12, 2008, 10:30 PM // 22:30

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

But you seem to be confused: The issue isn't about just the hacking, although that is a major concern. The issue is whether someone exploited the game. That is why people who were ferried, and did not actually perform the hack, were also banned. Going to a hidden outpost, cutting off about 80% of a mission, and farming an end-boss in minutes -- when it normally takes a couple of hours to reach him in normal play -- is exploiting the game. And that is against the User Agreement.

Let me give you an example.

One player hacks the client.
He finds a way to turn creatures into fluffy bunnies with zero HP.
He finds that anyone he subsequently takes into a mission also has the Fluffy Bunny Bonus.
He tells 1,000 friends, family, alliance members, maybe he even sells ferry rides with him to get the Fluffy Bunny Bonus.
1,000 people use the cheat.
Is anyone going to suggest that we should only ban the person who hacked?

Gaile,

The crux of your argument is "One player hacks the client" sentence. If the access is through normal achievable game play, your whole argument collapses.
I do commend ArenaNet is trying very hard to find out how people can get to the outpost. However, you may also be reminded that this access has been there for like 4-5 months at least, and by testing current server build this access might have been inadventently fixed. So, your team may have to restore old builds to test this access. I do hope your team has a good source code versioning system!

I await your advice when this has been completed. However, I don't hold my breath that ArenaNet will release the outcome truthfully.

Drop of Fear · Jan 12, 2008, 10:30 PM // 22:30

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Originally Posted by TheGreatPie

For starters all consumer have rights and read the eula its very scetchy

despite the moment u exploited a game-hole and broke multiple times that eula u seem to love, from that moment u're not just regular consumers, u're 117 consumers who exploited a game hole/glitch/manipulated files to create your custom hole.
117 who tried to gain an unfair advantage over the remaining 99.9% of the comunity.

no u don't have the right to pretend to be unbanned by saying "buaahahaha i didnt know it wasn't meant to be in the game buahahaha"

NO
NO
NO

Lady Ana Stacia · Jan 12, 2008, 10:34 PM // 22:34

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Originally Posted by Banned was Erin

Once again you show that you have no idea about what actually happened.
1. You need to step up and admit you were wrong in your original statements of labeling ALL OF US hackers. Are you finally willing to admit you lied to the general public about what we are?
2. This 'Fluffy Bunny' did not have zero HP.You had to run through the mission just as you ould normally. You had to fight all the wave of mobs, and you still had to kill Mallyx with the same HP he would normally have.
3. There is no bonus, you do the mission. Lather, rinse, repeat as you called it. There is no additional bonus other than the mission itself.
4. Please get your numbers straight instead of now making it like there were thousands of us doing this.
5. Yes, some DIFFERENT action should be taken against the individual that actually HACKED guild wars than the individuals that merely participated in an exploit. Do you honestly mean to tell me you are going to treat hackers and exploiters the same? Hacking is clearly more harmful to the game and its players, so yes, they should recieve a more harsh punishment.

Umm no you all knowingly took part repeatedly in an exploit that allowed you to repeatedly farm the last section of a questline without completing the other 4 parts in the series of quests.

Just as everyone keeps saying its all the leet players who got banned, who have put 1000's of hours into this game, yet you want us all to believe that it never once crossed your mind that what you where doing was an exploit and not how the mission was meant to be done.

Sorry no sympathy for any of you.

Inde · Jan 12, 2008, 10:36 PM // 22:36

Any insult to an individual or the community as a whole will be deleted. Please stay on topic and contributing.

Venus Anu · Jan 12, 2008, 10:37 PM // 22:37

I am not one of the exploiters.

I think that if all of these people were banned for this exploit they should go back and ban all the people who ever ferried, or opened the zeishen chest.

bobbylr · Jan 12, 2008, 10:38 PM // 22:38

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

But you seem to be confused: The issue isn't about just the hacking, although that is a major concern. The issue is whether someone exploited the game. That is why people who were ferried, and did not actually perform the hack, were also banned. Going to a hidden outpost, cutting off about 80% of a mission, and farming an end-boss in minutes -- when it normally takes a couple of hours to reach him in normal play -- is exploiting the game. And that is against the User Agreement.

Let me give you an example.

One player hacks the client.
He finds a way to turn creatures into fluffy bunnies with zero HP.
He finds that anyone he subsequently takes into a mission also has the Fluffy Bunny Bonus.
He tells 1,000 friends, family, alliance members, maybe he even sells ferry rides with him to get the Fluffy Bunny Bonus.
1,000 people use the cheat.
Is anyone going to suggest that we should only ban the person who hacked?

Hmm I'm just mad that anet termanted my account before I even got to tell me story about what happened. So they do not even know my story and the termanate my account so.

Bryant Again · Jan 12, 2008, 10:38 PM // 22:38

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Originally Posted by Arwen Granger

The crux of your argument is "One player hacks the client" sentence. If the access is through normal achievable game play, your whole argument collapses.

She made a post concerning that issue a few posts above.

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Originally Posted by Banned was Erin

Once again you show that you have no idea about what actually happened.
1. You need to step up and admit you were wrong in your original statements of labeling ALL OF US hackers. Are you finally willing to admit you lied to the general public about what we are?
2. This 'Fluffy Bunny' did not have zero HP.You had to run through the mission just as you would normally. You had to fight all the waves of mobs, and you still had to kill Mallyx with the same HP he would normally have.
3. There is no bonus, you do the mission. Lather, rinse, repeat as you called it. There is no additional bonus other than the mission itself.
4. Please get your numbers straight instead of now making it like there were thousands of us doing this.

Okay it was just an example (keyword!) to clarify the end result, NOT a direct comparison of the Mallyx situation.

Drop of Fear · Jan 12, 2008, 10:41 PM // 22:41

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Originally Posted by Venus Anu

No I am not one of the exploiters.

I think that if all of these people were banned for this exploit they should go back and ban all the people who ever ferried, or opened the zeishen chest.

was i in a.net shoes, i would have banned several people who badly exploited the map anywhere glitch to open buried treasures or farming endgame greens aswell, i completely agree with you. as for the zaishen one, i wasn't even here when that happened ... i cannot talk ignoring exactly what was the issue, but as far as i understood we're talking about a hole closed in 2 hours vs another one who had a 6+ months lifespawn with dozens of people mass-farming on it, not exactly the same thing...
people haven't been banned for exploits a.net considered not to be that critical? fine, it just doesn't strip a.net the power to ban people for this exploit we have today if they think it's a bannable one.

Trub · Jan 12, 2008, 10:41 PM // 22:41

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Originally Posted by bobbylr

Hmm I'm just mad that anet termanted my account before I even got to tell me story about what happened. So they do not even know my story and the termanate my account so.

Oh..ANet knows.
If you read above to Gailes posts...the logs are being used as a tool to sort out the 'sploiters.
If you feel un justly banned..send in to support.

TheGreatPie · Jan 12, 2008, 10:42 PM // 22:42

Trub they have and they get automated responses

lishi · Jan 12, 2008, 10:43 PM // 22:43

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Originally Posted by Banned was Erin

Once again you show that you have no idea about what actually happened.
1. You need to step up and admit you were wrong in your original statements of labeling ALL OF US hackers. Are you finally willing to admit you lied to the general public about what we are?
2. This 'Fluffy Bunny' did not have zero HP.You had to run through the mission just as you would normally. You had to fight all the waves of mobs, and you still had to kill Mallyx with the same HP he would normally have.
3. There is no bonus, you do the mission. Lather, rinse, repeat as you called it. There is no additional bonus other than the mission itself.
4. Please get your numbers straight instead of now making it like there were thousands of us doing this.
5. Yes, some DIFFERENT action should be taken against the individual that actually HACKED guild wars than the individuals that merely participated in an exploit. Do you honestly mean to tell me you are going to treat hackers and exploiters the same? Hacking is clearly more harmful to the game and its players, so yes, they should recieve a more harsh punishment.

i endorse that.

People who hacked the game should be perma-banned 10 times.

People who just farmed mallyx should be perma-banned only 1 time.

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2. This 'Fluffy Bunny' did not have zero HP.You had to run through the mission just as you would normally. You had to fight all the waves of mobs, and you still had to kill Mallyx with the same HP he would normally have.
3. There is no bonus, you do the mission. Lather, rinse, repeat as you called it. There is no additional bonus other than the mission itself.

so why you choosed to use the exploit instead of the normal way?
Let me answer for you.
It was less time consuming and easier then normal way.

Aiden Arcana · Jan 12, 2008, 10:44 PM // 22:44

Gaile, obviously your speaking for about 10-15 people, hints you always controdicting yourself every post. Whats YOUR, not ANETS opinion?

Creeping Carl · Jan 12, 2008, 10:44 PM // 22:44

I really don't buy the "I didnt know it was an exploit" excuse. There's no way people wouldnt have known it was an exploit since you needed to have beaten MallyX in order to use this exploit. And since you have previous knowledge of how you need to complete a few areas before getting to MallyX, there's no way you can claim ignorance when all of a sudden you can just warp to a strange outpost to MallyX. It doesnt compute.

GloryFox · Jan 12, 2008, 10:45 PM // 22:45

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Posted by Lady Ana Stacia
Umm no you all knowingly took part repeatedly in an exploit that allowed you to repeatedly farm the last section of a questline without completing the other 4 parts in the series of quests.

You forgot to add the line "and profited from it."

Profiteering
verb:to make excessive profits on goods in short supply.

also see
War profiteering
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_profiteering

There is a reason there are real laws on the books to prevent people from doing this. Even in a fictional sense that this is it was completely unethical no matter how you look at it.

unethical
adjective:not conforming to approved standards of social or professional behavior; "unethical business practices" "profiteering"

Clait · Jan 12, 2008, 10:45 PM // 22:45

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Originally Posted by Drop of Fear

was i in a.net shoes, i would have banned several people who badly exploited the map anywhere glitch to open buried treasures or farming endgame greens aswell, i completely agree with you. as for the zaishen one, i wasn't even here when that happened ... i cannot talk ignoring exactly what happened...
people haven't been banned for exploits a.net considered not to be that critical? fine, it just doesn't strip a.net the power to ban people for this exploit we have today if they think it's a bannable one.

You are not Anet. You do not have any room to say what you would or would not do.

rob79 · Jan 12, 2008, 10:47 PM // 22:47

Dear Gaile Grey
PLEASE ANSWER THIS

How many people got banned for using the free Zaishen chest "exploit?"

How many people got banned for getting a free ferry to the end of the game?

How many people got banned for getting a ferry to the deep, to urgoz or to slavers exile?

How many people got banned for /resigning in the Warrior Guild hall to be transported ANYWHERE in the game?

How many people got banned for using fort aspenwood, dragging all the necro npcs to the the base.. owning the other team?

How many people got banned for ferrying people from Kamadan to Consulate docks?

How many people have been banned in ab for dying at a gate and using necro transversal to go through it before the timer starts?

How many people have been banned for taking heros into AB and holding 64v64 matches?

How many people have been banned using the Warrior Guild hall trick to ferry people from Kamadan to LA without taking a quest?

How many people got banned for finding a bugged area while mapping and saw the "end of the world" effect?

How many people have been banned for vanquishing Bukdek Byway.. taking 2 quests.. and having to kill 1 enemy to vanquish?

When you question about how I know about all this, its simple. When you play the game for 30 months you find out about all these "exploits."

To say that ferrying to Mallyx is any different from the above is preposterous. Those guilty of any above are in the same position as this "exploit."

My question is.. Why where these not permanent bans?